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The Lighter and the Darker Sides of Religious Fanaticism
Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:07

By Mel Seesholtz, Ph.D.

You remember Kent Hovind, aka “Dr. Dino,” although his claim to the “Dr.” and academic credentials is questionable, at best. He’s the founder of Florida-based Creation Science Evangelism which, among its other quaint novelties, offers Dinosaur Adventure Land and this hokey promo on its homepage:

Hey families! Dinosaur Adventure Land has got so many wonderful events coming up that you may want to stop in sometime! Since the success of our Home school Appreciation Day of 2006, we have decided to do more themed-events at Dinosaur Adventure Land. To start things off, we have decided to make April fool’s Day (April 1st) “Darwin Day”. We will have tons of great rides, puzzles, treasure hunts, and prizes to fill out the day. We sure hope to see all of you here at Dinosaur Adventure land, where Dinosaurs and the Bible meet!

Creation Science Evangelism and Dinosaur Adventure Land are dedicated to Young Earth Creationism at its most ludicrous: human children playing with dinosaurs in Eden, Mr. and Mrs. Tyrannosaurus Rex among the passengers on Noah’s ark.




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Holier-than-thou Dr. Dino got into a spot of trouble with the Internal Revenue Service. The IRS charged him with 58 counts of tax fraud. Specifically, Dr. Dino was “charged with failing to pay nearly $474,000 in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes for employees at his Creation Science Ministry. Hovind maintained the workers were missionaries and are exempt from taxes and that all his money and possessions belong to God and were not subject to taxation.”

Dr. Dino claimed he was “employed by God” and, therefore, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Attorney’s Office did not “have jurisdiction in this matter.”

Hovind and his wife, who was herself charged with 44 counts of tax fraud, entered a unique plea: “I would like to plead subornation of false muster.”

As Mark O’Brien noted in his Pensacola News Journal article about the case, that’s

“a defense I haven’t heard in 30 years of hanging around courtrooms. The precedent is not good. A man in the state of Washington tried a similar defense a few years ago, claiming he was a ‘citizen of heaven’ and not subject to state laws. But a court there ruled that when in Washington, do as Washington law requires, and found him guilty” [link added].

So what does “subornation of false muster” mean?

1: to induce secretly to do an unlawful thing
2: to induce to commit perjury; also: to obtain (perjured testimony) from a witness

1: a representative specimen
2a: an act of assembling; specifically: formal military inspection b: critical examination
c: an assembled group

But those are dictionary definitions. Perhaps the phrase has other meanings when used as a plea in a court of law.

After consulting defense attorneys and other legal experts, I learned the basic definitions are essentially the meaning of the plea. Hovind was claiming that, under false pretenses, he was forcibly being called into service as a member of a group to which he claimed he did not rightfully belong – namely those subject to paying taxes – for the sole purpose of then being wrongly prosecuted.

But here’s the kicker: Kent Hovind and his wife were represented by a public defender, at taxpayers’ expense.

The “subornation of false muster” plea aside, as Mark O’Brien noted Dr. Dino’s legal track record was not good. He had already lost cases “with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court and with Escambia County’s right to require building permits for his Dinosaur Adventure Land.” It seems Hovind believed no man-made laws apply to him, only “God’s.” But apparently he’s not familiar with the Bible he claimed to be the sole source of “Truth” and “God’s law,” as one person who commented on O’Brien’s article noted:

Dr. Dino … says that he works for God, that he believes the Holy Bible is the inerrant Word of God, and that because he works for God he does not owe any income taxes. Yet in Matthew 22:21 the Bible plainly says that Jesus said:

“...Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.”

So it sure seems that Dr. Dino’s (alleged) Boss is also (along with the I.R.S.) expecting Dr Dino to pay his income taxes. Some faithful employee!

Of course, the Court will not be concerned with whether Dr. Dino interprets that Bible passage correctly, but will decide whether Dr. Dino properly interprets I.R.S. (or, “Caesar’s”) law. I suppose that even though Dr. Dino had a withdrawable $430,500 in the bank and withdrew it (as has been reported), he will present to the Court as a defense that, being employed by God, he has no income, no expenses, and owns no property. Oh yeah, THAT’ll impress the Court! [italics added]

The indictment showed that the Hovinds had repeatedly made cash withdrawals from a sizable bank account at AmSouth Bank in a way calculated to evade federal requirements for reporting cash transactions. The withdrawals were for $9,500 or $9,600. Was it coincidental that those amounts were just below the federally mandated $10,000 threshold for reporting cash transactions?

Well, dear Dr. Dino and his wife have been convicted on all counts:

a 12-person jury deliberated for 2½ hours before finding Hovind and his wife, Jo, guilty of all counts in their tax-fraud case, according to a report in the News Journal.

He was found guilty of 58 counts, including failure to pay $845,000 in employee-related taxes. He faces a maximum of 288 years in prison. Jo Hovind was charged and convicted in 44 of the counts involving evading bank-reporting requirements. She faces up to 225 years in prison but was allowed to remain free pending the couple’s sentencing on Jan. 9, the News Journal said:

“Nobody likes to pay taxes,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Michelle Heldmyer said in her closing argument. “But we do because it's the law, and he is not above the law.”

The jury also granted the prosecution’s request for the Hovinds to forfeit $430,400, the report said.

U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers released Jo Hovind until sentencing but denied Kent Hovind’s request to be released. He most likely will be detained at either Escambia County Jail or Santa Rosa County Jail until sentencing, the newspaper said.

So much for Dr. Dino.

But then there’s Chuck Smith, founder and senior pastor of the original Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. He should be called “Rev. Armageddon.” In commenting on a small item in Parade Magazine

A Fingerprint May Replace Cash Or Credit

Ever get to the supermarket only to realize you forgot your wallet? For the more than 3.3 million consumers who’ve signed up for biometric technology, that’s no longer a problem. Customers at several retailers can now literally pay by touch. By placing their finger on a scanner at the checkout and entering their home phone number, these tech-savvy shoppers can deduct the cost of a carton of milk directly from a bank account or credit card.

– Rev. Smith decreed:

“this development clearly illustrates that we are one step closer to what is described in the Book of Revelation. … This should be yet another wake-up call from God that we are in the last of the last days. We already know of eye-identification scanning devices and other technology … that clearly shows us this.”

Does this sound like another Garden of Eden set-up to you? In Eden “God” supposedly told his human creations to “Just Say No” to the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge despite having made them with an innate, driving desire to know. It was Eve – a woman, of course – who had the guts to “Just Say Know.”

If Divinity gave humans the inexorable desire to know and the ability to discover and gain knowledge and, in so doing, improve their condition, wouldn’t it be a “sin” not to use those Divine gifts? But such rational, “humanistic” thinking would not jive well with the message of the purveyors of doom and gloom, or help them keep the flock in line and sending in their “donations.” Money and their own well-being are, after all, the Bible-based doomsayers’ bottom line.

Clearly biometrics is a means of cutting down on identity theft. Credit card and debit card numbers can be stolen and signatures easily forged. While phone numbers can be easily obtained, the biometric device Rev. Smith saw as demonic relies on the legitimate user’s fingerprint that cannot be stolen or forged. Apparently Rev. Smith sees the devil in all humans’ fingerprints. That’s the ultimate expression of anti-human self-hated.

Religion has always sought to silence science. In the Bush administration and the climate it’s created, religion has often won. But science is fighting back:

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in physics, warned that “the world needs to wake up from its long nightmare of religious belief,” or when a Nobelist in chemistry, Sir Harold Kroto, called for the John Templeton Foundation to give its next $1.5 million prize for “progress in spiritual discoveries” to an atheist – Richard Dawkins, the Oxford evolutionary biologist whose book “The God Delusion” is a national best-seller.

Overwhelmingly the vast majority of the world’s scientists and climatologists agree global warming is a fact. But not for Rev. Jerry Falwell. He thinks global warming is bogus science and a political ploy. To be sure, Falwell should know all about bogus science:

“The Bible is the inerrant...word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc.” [italics added].

And the founder of the “Moral Majority” is certainly more than familiar with political ploys… in the name of “God,” of course.

But more importantly Falwell is concerned about the cost of dealing with global warming. After all, expenditures to address a problem that affects everyone on the planet and generations yet to come might have the effect of cutting into “donations” sent to the rotund reverend for his crusades that benefit only those who share his “biblical worldview.” A decrease in donations could also stifle Falwell’s ability to damn and blame others for all the world’s ills – as was so acutely seen after 9/11, “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians … I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen’ – in his ongoing efforts to demean and disenfranchise those “other” citizens who disagree with him and his theopolitical dogmatic agenda.

Civil equality is also a godly goal except, of course, for Rev. Falwell and the Alabama state branch of the Southern Baptist Convention, “the latest [group] to condemn Wal-Mart for barring discrimination against gays and lesbians in its code of ethics.” This is not surprising since the fanatics of the Christian Right are dedicated and determined to discriminate. It’s their raison d’etre.

The imp encouraging them and their attack on Wal-Mart is Rev. Don Wildmon of the American Family Association. Wildmon and his group have been boycotting Ford Motor Company for some time because Ford instituted company policies that forbid discrimination against gay employees and their American families. Wildmon has also cast his evil eye at electronics giant Best Buy because they are using the term “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas.”

Dawn Bryant, spokeswoman for Best Buy Co. Inc., responded to Wildmon’s and the AFA’s hysterical objections with cool common sense:

“We are going to continue to use the term holiday because there are several holidays throughout that time period, and we certainly need to be respectful of all of them.”

But common sense and expressing respectfulness toward others are not part of the Wildmon way or “thinking.” In his “mind” common sense and respectfulness toward others are “anti-Christian.”

From tax-cheat Dr. Dino and his Young Earth Creationists, to Luddite Smith’s claim that “we are in the last of the last days,” to Wildmon’s taking offense at recognizing the holidays of religions other than his own, to Lou Sheldon’s cover-up confession “that he and ‘a lot’ of others [the leaders the Christian Right] knew about [Rev.Ted] Haggard’s homosexuality ‘for awhile ... but we weren’t sure just how to deal with it” [link added], the leaders of the Christian Right have become ludicrous caricatures defiling the very religion, virtues and values they claim to be advocating.

They all ceremoniously wrap themselves in the American flag, as if that could hide their rotting core. Their beliefs, statements, actions and tactics are as un-American as beliefs, statements, actions and tactics can be unless, of course, one considers the beliefs, statements, actions and tactics of Joseph McCarthy to those of a “great American” uninterested in furthering his own agenda and political power.

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Pastor Art said:

I have never met Kent Hovind in person, or heard him speak in person, but I have seen him teach about creation on TV. 8 of his 2 hour lectures were at one time available to be seen over the Internet at a site called You Tube or something like that.

As someone who was formerly a pre-med major in college I know that his teaching about the young age of the earth not only is Biblical it is also scientific.

Even NASA totally freaked out at the evidence of a young Moon they discovered during their many trips to the moon, starting with Apollo 8 which went into orbit around the Moon on Christmas Eve, Dec 24, 1968.

And while I disagree with Kent Hovind's position about not paying income taxes, it is true that Roman Catholic Priests don't pay taxes and the IRS leaves them alone.

I was surprised that his lawyer did not use that as a defense.

Since I am from Illinois and have pastored in central Illinois, I know people who are personal friends of the Hovind family (Kent Hovind is origianlly from East Peoria, Illinois), and I know from them that Kent Hovind really believed he was doing the right thing.

I remember discussing this with a friend, who also is from East Peoria, and hearing about Kent's tax avoidance methods and telling that friend of mine, that one day the IRS will nail him for taking that stand. And it turns out I was correct.

I hope that Kent Hovind and his wife will apologize, pay their taxes, and return to teaching the truth about creationism.

As this case tells us and as the case of Pastor Ted H. tells us, that the first requirement to becoming a Christian is that we must admit we are sinners.

And 1 John 1:8 tells us that even after we get saved, all of us saved sinners, still sin.

That is why its so good Jesus died for our sins, why Jesus took our punishment for breaking God's laws.

Right now as I understand it, Kent Hovind is currently in jail awaiting sentencing on January 9th and his wife is out on bond.

If I could call Kent or his wife on the telephone, I would tell give them this advise:

Pay your taxes, apologize, and promise to cooperate with the IRS from now on.

And serve whatever sentence the judge give you, without appealing it.

Then continue to teach about creation and how it really happened.

Pastor Art
November 22, 2006 | url
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Joel Sax said:

Exasperated with all the noise from Creationists is not the same as freaked out by the supposed evidence.
November 23, 2006 | url
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Mark Branson said:

Go Kent go.
I would like to thank Kent Hovind for standing up for Christian Rights. Kent is a brave man and servant of God. God will set him free in the end. I have Faith.
Eve was the mother of sin. She gave birth to Sin.
November 23, 2006 | url
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Jafafa said:

Christian rights? Christians have the right to not pay taxes?

Well, that's damned convenient.
November 23, 2006
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John Currier said:

Too Bad.
Kent Hovind's ability to communicate is not matched by many. His ability to debate by revealing facts of creation and challenging the blind faith in nothing of evolution is remarkable.

But his blindness to his civil responsibilities as the above article correctly quoted from Matthew - and is also found in Romans 13, will have a great negative impact on his ability to be credibly heard on the topic of creation.

This is truly a sad day for this messenger of the truth, and a call to all believers to examine the hidden sins of their lives, confessing them so that they are not similarly silenced in their witness for Jesus Christ.

Proverbs 28:13 He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.
November 23, 2006
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Deon said:

He got much less than he deserves
If he had been content to sit in his corner and talk to his imaginary friends before, he wouldn't be sitting in his corner and talking with his new, not-so-imaginary friends now. I'm sure those other men there in need of real affection can't wait for a visit from him. Actually...I'll bet they can't wait to visit him. With luck, he'll get his true punishment in jail...several times a day. Now, since he is locked away, hopefully for a long time, we can just forget about him.
November 30, 2006
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D. Whiteside said:

Pastor Art are you lying again to the Public?
You have never pastored in Central Illinois, You have never been a campus pastor at ISU, You have never church planted anywhere in Illinois. You are not in Chicago rather at 16710 Cordoba Street in Winter Garden Florida. The bible and the commandments say "THOU SHALT NOT LIE".

Shame on you.
November 15, 2007
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Deanne Bledtsoe said:

Whiteside: Pastor Art are you lying again to the Public?
Just looking at this person's profile I wouldn't trust him. I am confused by the jargin he places on this site and confused as to how someone is being allowed to deceive the public. He apparently visited our church a couple of times in the OC Florida. I saw him on one occassion where a group of elders were flatly rebuking him asking him to reserve his opinions to himself. He also attends a Celebration Church in OC Florida too. One of my friends is a minister there and I warned them about him. I also read your website and I see Mr. Whiteside that there are several bits of conflicting information as well.

I thank the Lord that there is someone bold enough to face this person and confront him.

Shame on him is an understatement!
December 21, 2007
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Lorenzo D'Agostinino said:

Here is a quote for the Evangelicals!
È gli affari del cristiano di ascoltare Dio ed obbedire senza tentare al theologize qualcosa che è chiaramente che è "la Sua Parola"

Che appartiene a Ceasar dà a Ceasar Jesus ha illustrato. L'altro lato della moneta dice in ebreo 13 e Titus 3 di obbedire le leggi della terra. Ma i cristiani liberali Evangelici non lo prendono. La Bibbia è Nera e Bianco è senza l'Errore. È la Parola di Dio o niente affatto!

It is the business of the Christian to listen to God and to obey without trying to theologize something that is clearly what it is "His Word"

What belongs to Ceasar give to Ceasar Jesus illustrated. The other side of the coin says in Hebrew 13 and Titus 3 to obey the laws of the land. But liberal Evangelical christians don't get it. The Bible is Black and White it is without Error. It is the Word of God or not at all!

December 22, 2007
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Martin Law Group said:

Pastorart1974-Con Artist
I feel that every individual who sees this should be aware that this pastor art is really a con artist. He has been investigated on numerous occassions by several law firms and law enforcement agencies all of whom are inciting a willful defamation campaing against people whom tell the truth about his situation. Like Mr. Whiteside this person and his information are nothing but falsified facts. No one individual who is intimately connected to Dr. Dino knows of this "Pastor" art. I have spoken with Mr. Whiteside and numerous other agencies, ministries, educational institutions. They all are fluid in their response and in their reactions when you bring up this individual's name. Being that the fact may be. Who can trust someone who is a compulsive liar?
April 28, 2008
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Talkto/Talk2a Ministries New Jersey said:

Talk2apastor, Talktoapastor, and any like typset are the individual property of Talkto/Talk2a ministries is located in Southern New Jersey. Talk2apastor and Talkto/Talk2a Ministries is a schedule S election Ministry and operates soley as an internet presence.

The following individual Arthur J. Ellingsen aka pastor.gainesville, pastorart1974, pastoart1974nc, pastorartmccoy is not and does not have any connection or relationship with this group/ministry/organization of any form as so cited by this individual on various sites. We were founded soley by Talkto/Talk2a Ministries of Burlington County New Jersey. For further information please contact: legalaffairsc@gmail.com
April 13, 2009
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Talkto/Talk2a Ministries New Jersey said:

someone forwarded an email from pastorart1974 trying to cover up his antics
-----Original Message-----
From: Pastor Art
Sent: 4/14/2009 2:54:43 PM
Subject: FW: Google Alert - PastorArt1974
Its been 3 ? years since I’ve seen this guy and he still is on the Internet telling lies about me. Ted Masa stated to me today in a phone conversation that he hasn't seen you in 6 years(odd but I believe Ted Masa)

These are not lies but proven facts verified by numerous organizations, resources, and witnesses. We thought that we would post this to show how a con artist works hard to defend himself and tries to make himself look good and yet this email proves our point very well. We are only showing this to prove that his motive is nothing but to be a con-artist trying to justify his way and thinking instead of letting TRUTH BE TRUTH.

Note that D. Whiteside and Deanne Bledtsoe and Lorenzo D’Agostinio and the Martin Law Group are all Ted Masa.

NOTE: These people are documented witnesses in a case matter against Art in the circuit court of orange county Florida, 3rd District Northeastern Court of Illinois, Circuit Court of Burlington County New Jersey, Circuit Court of Cook County, Circuit Court of Escambia County Florida, 9th Judicial Circuit Court of Orange County Florida and all different people appeared before the Judges but the question is where was Art? He didn't show up rather he refused service from a court appointed processor and the cases against him was awarded to Ted Masa. I am one of those witnesses by the name of Jim Morris and I own the name Talk2apastor and Mr. Ellingsen has no legal or corporate presence anywhere in the US (ALL SELF PROCLAIMED). I also know for a fact and have personally witnessed that Ted Masa has no part in sending out emails. I do know that a group from Brownsville Brooklyn New York has been assisting Devontrit in these emails warning people about this con artist Art. Apparently, anyone and everyone who responds is Ted Masa and no one person is truthful than Art Ellingsen who has used illegally numerous times the name Talk2apastor without my written consent or permission. That is why Yahoo Copyright Agent shut his previous profiles for infringement on a trademarked name that rightfully belongs to the organization I planted talkto/talk2aministries

The most recent entry was made just yesterday. Today actually is when the most recent one was made which is by me.

I have several Google Alerts set up looking for any time someone uses my name or pastorart1974 appears anywhere on the Internet, Google tells me about it.

He was claiming just yesterday to be The Martin Law Group from New Jersey, using the same E-mail address he used to send 39 E-mails to Gainesville last October. Then he claimed he was from Chicago and Tallahasee. That’s the E-mail Pastor Max pointed out that he could not spell, Tallahasee.

Martin Law Group is based in the Los Angeles Area not New Jersey. New Jersey is where Talkto/Talk2a ministry is located at in New Jersey under my direction and has been there for 2 years under the direction of a parent ministry and Yahoo copyright agent has evidence of our legal and binding proof to the exclusive right to usage of typeset talk2apastor and the like. Which is the reason why your profiles have been previously shut down. INFRINGEMENT IS A CRIME ART!

Art you have a serious mental illness and you need help. Myself, Devontrit, Yelle, Lynn, Danny, Burt Mundsen, Kenji Hashimoto, Ted Masa, Jennifer Stanley and Family, Mahadras Mahadjan, and various other people have documented proof of you lying about many things most which you personally posted on the internet. This is the reason why we posted names phone numbers and addresses of people who were there to testify to the fact that you are not a real pastor you never founded the organization Talk2apastor you do not have any registration to the fact anywhere in Florida and Illinois, No one under the scriptures is exempt from legally complying with Federal, State, County, Municipal regulations. Evidently burden of proof showed that you tried to justify why and failed.

I have a packet sent from the National Personnel Records Center
Military Personnel Records
9700 Page Avenue
St. Louis, MO 63132-5100

IN this document under public records that I requested for 9 dollars cited that you were never assigned to any ship named the Baltimore and you historically never preached anywhere in the United States or Country globally. It also cites that you were assigned to a military installation in La Jolla California which is shared with the USMC/Camp Pendleton for training and CIDT. Publically you cited that you were in the Philippines attending a missions conference and when I looked at the information from the Military Personell Records it no where in this documents asserts or states you were ever present in the PHILIPPINES. You cited publicly that you have done all these miraculous things that naturally turn out to be LIES!

-----Original Message-----
From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply@google.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009 2:41 AM
To: astorArt1974@gmail.com'>PastorArt1974@gmail.com
Subject: Google Alert - PastorArt1974

Google Web Alert for: PastorArt1974

The Lighter and the Darker Sides of Religious Fanaticism - Free ...
Apr 13, 2009 ... The following individual Arthur J. Ellingsen aka pastor.gainesville, pastorart1974, pastoart1974nc, pastorartmccoy is not and does not have ...This was posted because Mr. Art has no legal right to use a name that properly belongs to another organization.


This once a day Google Alert is brought to you by Google.

By the way Art the email was forwarded to me from Ted Masa this afternoon. Did you honestly believe that we would not find out about your antics? We pray to God that you get right with God. You are a deceiver and a Publicly noted liar.

Jim Morris, C.E.O./President
Talkto/Talk2a Ministries dba
Burlington County, NJ 08054
April 14, 2009
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Dominico Robles said:

Mark Those who cause Division-a Spirit led Mediation
"Mark those who cause division, and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned, and avoid them... for by good words and fair speeches [they] deceive the hearts of the simple." (Romans 16:17-1smilies/cool.gif

People are always moving toward some people and ideas, and away from the truth of God. The Bible says the friendship of the world is enmity with God. (James 4:4) So friendship in one direction will lead to disunity in the other. Trying too hard to generate "unity" with people who have rejected God is going to result in "division" with those who have not rejected him.

When someone is being openly aggressive in their attacks on any one individual or situation, we are automatically drawn together in battle against them. But in order to divide us, the enemy must get inside the gate, appeal to one of us, and from there win the sympathy of others who are weak spiritually. This is how they "deceive the hearts of the simple". Certainly we need to be open to genuine offers of friendship; but we need to know how to distinguish between genuine offers and false ones. And this is why we are told to "mark" people who have a record of having done that sort of thing.

This is very evident in spirit witness on all of your parts and should never be tolerated for any reason.

The paradox is that people who believe that they are so worthy of titles and positions get offended by us even considering the fact and their life testimony that they may not be, by spirit I say everyone who has posted some form of dissention or division are the ones who are most unworthy of all, and the most dangerous to give support to. You can almost guarantee that anything they do will have strings attached, and will be used against anyone person or situation in the future. They will prefer to make their criticisms privately, and out of earshot of the person they are criticising. These are tell tale all signs of sin.

The complaint is to be dealt with privately first with a witness of two or more, for the purpose of protecting against divisive fallout. But a division-maker is not interested in solving the problem but elevating it to an international crisis. For the case of this art, the more divisive fallout the better; and so he has approach leaders personally. They either talk behind their backs, or they publish far and wide anything that they think can hurt the credibility of the person they are attacking. One gigantic note of God is that if ministries and organizations feed into this kind of division they themselves are in sin. Dually, they should (I truly hope before God) refrain from allowing such a private matter, situation, or inicident be allowed to be discussed or entertained. Rather, they should revert the person causing the division to the Lord and not have anything to do with the matter in any way shape or form. In this case, this Art person has led church ministries and organizations and people into sin. With that being exposed before God these organizations need to repent and remove themselves from this and the same applies to this art individual. Only by spirit and God will I be influenced not by some mere conjecture or heresay gossip. In either case before God it is wrong and a sin.

I truly question all of your christianity and at all levels. I truly wonder which God you refer to because I can honestly say by witness of your actions and motives it is not that of Christ Jesus, The God of Israel. There isn't any justification, reasoning, or theology that will change my mind before God.

To this Art individual I cannot call you my brother because your actions and witness are contrary to that of what Jesus Christ teaches. I cannot call you a pastor because your heart, spirit, witness, motives, and actions are that truly contrary to the 5 fold offices instituted by God. My personal impression of you is that you wear religious masks and will not allow God to be the witness shining in your life. You do things in secret and God knows them before you do and knows your motives before you do but by your witness of dragging a private affair and making it public and to anyone and everything who will heed to your cry of unjustifiable sin instead of seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the Witness of Truth through God and word. I have seen the various postings made by yourself stating many titles but your actions and your motives clearly contradict the instructions of our Lord Jesus Christ and the calling to the offices of the 5 fold. To forgive is divine; to forget may be stupid. A person who has a proven record of causing division needs to be identified as such. They need to see that they have done serious damage to their credibility and integrity before God, and the rest of us need to see that they could easily repeat their offenses as this art individual has done on numerous occassions.

To the other posters/bloggers all I can say is that I have an obligation before God to say that none of you will allow God to be God. Apparently as I inlcude this Art person as well that none of you are more knowing than God himself and none of you see by spirit or by truth that what you are doing is even that much more wrong and sinful.

A sin is a sin and God's word is truth and his spirit exposes all things and nothing from the Lord is hidden at any time. I can see how this ted person is a victim and that this art person involved himself honestly having no real relationship or connection to a matter that is Ted and God alone. Nor do you posters have any right to bring out a matter that belongs between Art and God.

My points are as follows:

point 1: Galatians 5:7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 "A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough." 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion will pay the penalty, whoever he may be. 11 Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! 13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature[a]; rather, serve one another in love. 14The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other. 16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. 19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Galatians 5:13 Or the flesh; also in verses 16, 17, 19 and 24
Galatians 5:14 Lev. 19:18

hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions are what all of you are mostly guilty of and should be ashamed.

People all too often fight in ways that leave lasting emotional scars. They neglect to deal with things when they should, and then they overreact, causing destruction. In colloquial terms, there are ways to fight dirty and there are ways to fight clean. What we want to do is to fight without leaving any scars or permanent damage. By following the Bible this can and should be done. Honor God, even through your disagreements. Make this your prime focus and you will have great wisdom in dealing with difficulties. If you seek to honor God you will have the strength to bear with petty differences without undue annoyance. If you seek God's honor, you will be in control and won't go beyond proper bounds. Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Look to yourself, lest you too be tempted. Evidently this is an oversight that is too often ignored and should never be. You don't have to make an issue of everything--and you shouldn't make an issue of everything. God is not pleased with quarrelsome behavior. You can't go through life continually rebuking people. I once knew a man who was this way. It's amazing that he had any friends at all. He seemed to feel that he had this as a special gift, and he tried to exercise this gift every chance he got. He rebuked me so many times it was like having a friendship with a porcupine. I finally rebuked him for rebuking me to much. Confrontations should be relatively rare occurrences in life. If we go around confronting too much, then it's a sign of spiritual weakness and impatience. Keep in mind that It is a man's "glory to overlook a transgression." Never confront someone if you aren't interested in finding a solution. Don't say things in a conflict just for the sake of saying them. Don't vent. Be a peacemaker and seek for peace as your primary goal. Ro 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all. Prov. 26:20 For lack of wood the fire goes out. Dealing with conflicts is like putting out fires. One of the most important principles of fire-fighting is to contain the blaze and prevent it from spreading. It does no good to chase a spreading fire. The key idea here is containment.

Point 2: It's so important to have a sense of closure with past conflicts. Don't build up a supply of weapons to bludgeon someone with. ["This is like the time you did such and such a thing..." "and I still can't believe you did that thing."] God expects us to forgive others in the way that He forgives us--and He doesn't require us to keep re-asking for forgiveness. Don’t bring up unrelated points of contention (Pro. 26:21) Unless you are dealing with Biblical issues or standards of common decency, you must first convey your opinions about something before you have the right to complain about it later. Don't rely on assumptions and don't expect people to read your minds. What's obvious to you may not be obvious to another person. Eph. 4:31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Apparently this is the least of anyones intentions or for that matter to have crossed their minds. To busy getting angry with each other and too busy finding ways to bite and fight back. This is blaringly a truthful witness of all of your actions before God and a shame.

Point 3: When we show anger we show pride--we say, in effect, "I deserve better than this and I demand my rights!" [The only person who really did deserve better treatment was Christ, and He was patient towards those who mistreated Him.] No punishment or revenge (Pro. 17:13, 24:29)Prov. 17:13 He who returns evil for good, Evil will not depart from his house. Prov. 24:29 Do not say, “Thus I shall do to him as he has done to me" This is very destructive. Revenge is also forbidden in a relationship just as it is towards anyone who hurts us. Being a vengeful person is the exact opposite of being a peacemaker. Eph. 4:26 says do not let the sun go down on your anger. It's sub-Christian to be so upset with someone that you attempt to punish them by giving them the "silent-treatment." Refusing to talk is just as much a symptom of anger as shouting is. [There are cases, though, where it might be best for a time it is best to keep silent or give someone space--but only if not done out of anger or spite.] Pro. 21:2 Every man’s way is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts. Since we can never see into the heart, we must be very careful about interpreting someone's behavior and judging their motivations. We look at the behavior, the Lord looks at the heart.

Clearly the motives and witness of everyone are an example that I would want my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ to abstain from at all costs.

Point 4: Ephesians 4:25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 "In your anger do not sin": Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need. 29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

Apparently not anyone of you practiced this or we would not be having this mediation or conversation. Therefore it is my biblical obligation to point out these SINS in your actions and witness. But each and everyone of you has been marked as those who cause division.

Since all of your witnesses are anything but Godly It is my hope that God will bring you back to his truth and way of life forever more. What you are doing is just simply and completely against the will of God and the Truth.

I do believe that each of you should move on and mind your own business and never speak to each other since you are not willing to forgive each other and act as an Ambassador of Christ Jesus.

Dominico Robles
Un seguidor de Cristo Jesús que reina por siempre más

April 16, 2009
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Tmasa said:

reply to google-alerts and Dominico
Mr. Robles your posting is very well put but we are acting accordingly to scripture. Art is not saved and everything he has done to me is extremely contrary to Godly principles. You stated well that he wears religious masks. Thank you for going on that road trip with both James' and I. As you heard from these various people, places, organizations, ministries, M.P.A., and the places we visited in Orlando and Chicago areas as they stated to us "Evidently we are liars too and have no salvation." I am not going to and continually will not waste my precious time on Art and let these other people have at it if they want. I have better things to do.
April 18, 2009
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Dominico Robles said:

Responding carefully!
Mr. Masa honestly before God I do not believe that you are acting accordingly to scripture. You are trying to justify scripture and yourself and I ask that you act by being justified by the Cross. I found the road trip to be interesting and yet as I have stated to you and the others that "I will only respond in a spirit-led way."

Sincerely there are many things that I have had to take to prayer and I am glad to see you arriving to your destination safely. I absolutely must remain neutral in this matter and only allow the influence of the Holy Spirit to guide me to a safe and resounding resolution. As I have previously stated, "You do things in secret and God knows them before you do and knows your motives before you do but by your witness of dragging a private affair and making it public and to anyone and everything who will heed to your cry of unjustifiable sin instead of seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the Witness of Truth through God and word. I have seen the various postings made by yourself stating many titles but your actions and your motives clearly contradict the instructions of our Lord Jesus Christ and the calling to the offices of the 5 fold." Now please allow me to add that I have spoken this with some friends who are great influences in my life and all of us have come to the agreement that this art individually on his own accord did many things that are considered as "criminal activities" which again shows cause that he acted contrary to scripture and truth. In responding carefully without being casted into unwanted influences I must assert cautiously warn you as well that you since you stated "I am not going to and continually will not waste my precious time on Art and let these other people have at it if they want. I have better things to do." These other people are only involved because you invoked them for assistance and for mine.

The scriptures in Proverbs 2 teaches about wisdom and how to gain and use it. The scriptures in Proverbs 4 speaks about security in wisdom. Proverbs 6:12-19 exposes the wicked.

Please carefully read Matthew 7:

Matthew 7
Do Not Judge
1 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. 6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. Keep Asking, Seeking, Knocking
7 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 9 Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! 12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

The Narrow Way

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. You Will Know Them by Their Fruits 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Build on the Rock

24 “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.” 28 And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, 29 for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

Matthew 7:14 NU-Text and M-Text read How . . . !

Colossians 2:6So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him, 7rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
8See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature,[a] not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you[c] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[d]16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

Colossians 2:11 Or the flesh
Colossians 2:13 Or your flesh
Colossians 2:13 Some manuscripts us
Colossians 2:15 Or them in him

James 3

Taming the Tongue

1Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check. 3When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. 4Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. 5Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. 6The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. 7All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man, 8but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. 9With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. 10Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. 11Can both fresh water and salt[a] water flow from the same spring? 12My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

Two Kinds of Wisdom

13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. 17But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.

James 3:11 Greek bitter (see also verse 14)

Luke 21: 5Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6"As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down." 7"Teacher," they asked, "when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?" 8He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them. 9When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away." 10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. 12"But before all this, they will lay hands on you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13This will result in your being witnesses to them. 14But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. 17All men will hate you because of me. 18But not a hair of your head will perish. 19By standing firm you will gain life.

Brother Masa evidently there is alot of wisdom and counsel that is planted into you and you have shown me this impression during the road trip. I apply this to Brother Morris as well. But in using the wisdom of the Lord I must say that you take these scriptures that I shared above and pray over them carefully. There is much that can be learned from them and much to be applied as well. But all of you fall short in finger pointing and justification.

If there is one thing that I have learned from wisdom is that in this day and age no matter what you say,do,hear, and act on the end is always the same short of the cross. This is true with those who side with Art instead of siding with wisdom and the cross but all are still in sin and fall short. I have witnessed to the fact that Art bashes denominational bodies but yet the scriptures say in Proverbs 28: 1 The wicked flee when no one pursues, But the righteous are bold as a lion. 2 Because of the transgression of a land, many are its princes; But by a man of understanding and knowledge Right will be prolonged. 3 A poor man who oppresses the poor is like a driving rain which leaves no food. 4 Those who forsake the law praise the wicked, But such as keep the law contend with them. 5 Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the LORD understand all. 6 Better is the poor who walks in his integrity Than one perverse in his ways, though he be rich. 7 Whoever keeps the law is a discerning son, But a companion of gluttons shames his father. 8 One who increases his possessions by usury and extortion Gathers it for him who will pity the poor. 9 One who turns away his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer is an abomination.
10 Whoever causes the upright to go astray in an evil way, He himself will fall into his own pit; But the blameless will inherit good. 11 The rich man is wise in his own eyes, But the poor who has understanding searches him out. 12 When the righteous rejoice, there is great glory; But when the wicked arise, men hide themselves. 13 He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy. 14 Happy is the man who is always reverent, But he who hardens his heart will fall into calamity.

2 Peter 2
Destructive Doctrines
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does[a] not slumber.
Doom of False Teachers

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; 7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked 8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)— 9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, 11 whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord.
Depravity of False Teachers

12 But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, 13 and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, 14 having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. 15 They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man’s voice restrained the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.[c]

Deceptions of False Teachers

18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped[d] from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,”[e] and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

2 Peter 2:3 M-Text reads will not.
2 Peter 2:17 NU-Text reads and mists.
2 Peter 2:17 NU-Text omits forever.
2 Peter 2:18 NU-Text reads are barely escaping.
2 Peter 2:22 Proverbs 26:11

You quoted this scripture to me and dually I must remind you that you are correct that Art does display these characterisitics but again let the Word, Spirit, and Truth expose him. I agree that I have learned alot about this unsaved man from this trip. But again let the word convict him not other people. He believes that he can hide behind ministries but Gods word will convict them and condemn them for their iniquities. As I have suggested to Brother Morris since he is not bound by Christ and is seperated from him. We must pray for God's righteousness to intervene and deliver Art from the veils of satan as I believe he is so entrapped in.

Notes: The various locations that have been visited in a short period of time were accordant in fact that many and I mean many inconsistencies as well as there were many discrepencies to the various public statements made by this Art. That I will agree on. Since this fact has been brought before God the response I have from the Lord is ignore him and pray for his salvation. I strongly urge Brother Masa, Brother Morris, Sister Jenkins, Sister Meyers, and the elders of talkto/talk2a ministries to do the same. The fact remains that you need to leave this in God's hand and let him deal with Art and do not remove it from God's hands. I am advising that each and everyone of you should there be documents, public postings, attacks against one another, files, or whatever shred them, take them down, and remove them so that others may be prevented from stumbling into sin and sin nature. Repent yourselves and repeatedly I must say If you believe God is your justice then it would be best to ignore him and his sin and they will eventually flee from you. I cannot discount the biblical fact that THIS TRULY HAS TO END TODAY, HERE, AND NOW! none of you are God. To Brother Masa, Brother Morris, Sister Jenkins, Sister Meyers, and the elders of talkto/talk2a ministries you are supposed to be children of God and as our Father has taught us to erase the offenses from our memories as he from his through Christ Jesus. Blot it away and do not ever bring Art back up again and you will see that God's justice will be served upon the unjust.

Dominico Robles
Un seguidor de Cristo Jesús que reina por siempre más

April 20, 2009
Votes: +0

Project Humanbeingsfirst.org said:

Pay Attention to Political Science on All Matters!
The political science behind 'Global Warming': http://print-humanbeingsfirst....rming.html

is no different than the political science behind 'war on terror', which is no different than the political science behind the 'surprising and unexpected' financial crisis borne of 'moronic banksters' mistakes', for they are all indeed devilishly manufactured and intended to lead the sheep to the same slaughter house of world-government in which 'secular humanism' will be the religion, and eugenics is intended to take care of all who do not conform to "Mr. Drax's" specification of manliness and womanliness (ref. James Bond movie the Moonraker):

Therefore, the following statement by the author of this article "The Lighter and the Darker Sides of Religious Fanaticism" is devoid of any meaningful substance by his appealing to "democracy" in science!

"Overwhelmingly the vast majority of the world’s scientists and climatologists agree global warming is a fact."

Not only is 'Global Warming' not a fact, it is also irrelevent whether there is indeed global warming, global cooling, or stable temperatures modulo planetry level variations due to the sun's activity, for the real tortuous agenda behind the sleight of hand and the media psyops into which apparently the author of this article has inadvertently bought into, is the political science of 'carbon credits' as explained in the first reference above.

To seek evidence of the veracity of all the above statements, please see analysis at http://humanbeingsfirst.org

And Nota Bene: While I have no views specifically on the above essay, I would like to make a comment in a general context. There is also a Political Science operational behind 'Secular Humanism', Islamofascism, Christofascism, Judeofascism, Zionofascism, Atheofascism, et. al. Each aspect is nuanced, and different, but nevertheless, is entirely circumscribed by a political agenda calculatingly driven through very astute political science. Without understanding that underlying political science, one cannot understand either: a) the demonization of all religions, and b) the worst aspects of all manifestations of all religions being so prevalent in every society which automatically seem to enable a). How did b) become so prevalent in modernity? Since the Western mind is so close to their own society, they can't always easily perceive what is happening within them. So just look over across the world to Pakistan and examine the cultivation of Taliban and Alqaeeda, the Islamofascism. Again visit Project Humanbeingsfirst reports if interested, to understand what's going on - who benefits from Islamofascism. So who might similarly benefit from a) creating the weeds in the West, and b) selling the RoundUP?

Thank you,

Zahir Ebrahim
Project Humanbeingsfirst.org
April 21, 2009 | url
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Dominico Robles said:

Final Note
Thank you Brother Morris and Brother Masa for the follow up phone call this morning. After seeking much counsel with the Lord and some of the mentors whom I look to as well for their counsel. I believe that you brought up a very good question regarding our discussion. To answer your question I honestly believe that we need to look at Galatians 2: 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. 17"If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker. 19For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

Now back up to verses 6 As for those who seemed to be important—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not judge by external appearance—those men added nothing to my message. 7 On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as Peter had been to the Jews. 8 For God, who was at work in the ministry of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles. 9 James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews.

Galatians 5:2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

James 2 I want the scriptures to make clear two points:

point 1:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. 12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment! I must be clear that you both are being unmerciful and the same applies to this Art individual. Continuing James 2: 14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. 20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. 24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. You try to justify your actions and behaviors and still are trying to drag me into the middle of something where I will not be moved from and that is I stated I WILL REMAIN NEUTRAL. These scriptures refer to justification by Christ and none of you as I have stated before are acting and showing the charactersitic of being justified by Christ.

Point 2: Remember I pointed out James 4? but you still want to carry on and fight amongst each other. I no longer wish to be involved in this matter. Apparently none of you will listen to wise counsel. Let me close with this scripture from James 4:7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up. 11 Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor? I include this Art in this matter since he is the primary invocator of this whole situation.

Not anyone one of you in this whole thing are right in the Lord. From the counsel of my pastor and mentors I will take leave and depart from this whole thing. None of you will listen to good reason and none of you will go to one another and admit that they are wrong for their actions. None of you will humble yourselves instead you stand in pride and arrogance and yes this applies to you Art as well. To whoever this pastor max person if he really exists has stumbled into sin and there is no justification or reasoning that you can sit there and say to me that the Lord will instruct upon me that says you are justified for feeding into something that in wisdom states STAY AWAY and DO NOT ENTERTAIN. Pastor Max himself again if this individual really exists has any sense of wisdom would say to Art you have dragged me into a situation that I have no business with and addressed Art in good counsel by instructing him to forgive and be merciful. This Art person and everyone else as I have stated are anything but forgiving and mercifu.

I do not believe Art is saved, I do not believe his heart reflects the life of a God fearing Christian, I do not believe that any of you have the right before God to consistently war against one another and GODS TRUTH speaks differently, None of you know how to receive wise counsel and automatically work towards change, All of you have the need to be right instead of being merciful and using God's grace, none of you in any way shape or form will change my mind, all of you have this attitude of being more knowing than God instead of showing the ability to be teachable/correctable/accountable, More so with Art you want titles and positions but are not willing to be satisfied with what God has bestowed upon your life and yet you are living a lie and have deceived many people which is of the Devil whom I believe is your God because you act like you know everything but yet before God you know nothing at all and your efforts are anything but fruitful. You operate in witchcraft and craftiness. You go to various people trying to seek an ear but the wise have been instructed and hear you not, The many postings that all of you use to war against one another is not a praise to God but a clanging noise of disruption and corruption, Truth shows your souls and your actions bear your witness to the various infirmities that you engage in, You waste useful funds and expenditures to prove a point that can only be won by God alon instead of using it for godly gain and sowing seeds.

I am not dumb to all of you in anyway shape or form. I find that by withdrawing I can be more useful to others who will take heed to Godly counsel and bare fruits that will and shall bless the Lord.

Why you all choose anything contrary to scripture is beyond me and with that I say to those who are my family in the Lord you have been warned now I take my leave and be more productive in the matters of the Lord not this world.

Dominico Robles
Un seguidor de Cristo Jesús que reina por siempre más

April 21, 2009
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Donald Robhenson said:

You shall know the truth and the truth caught up to him
When do the lies stop? You never served in streator illinois. No one there knows who you are. A longtime resident named Ed who also is a member of the ministerial association proved this in person. Like you have done with Illinois State University are you going to call and demand to be something that you aren't? Just like you lied about the Philippines, El Cajon, Deeper Life Assembly in Orlando who by the way is seeking criminal charges of perjury against you for falsifying information. The assembly of God Office of the Secretary General stated that your credential was revoked and that it was because of your divorce issue. Are you going to call them and demand that they are lying? They referred me to a a set of case numbers 1996D331522, 331491, 330625.

By the way readers just to make something clear...This supposed ministry is not registerd with the IRS. Call 1-800-829-4933 you will find that no ss-4, 1023, 1024 forms were ever submitted. If you go to this link: http://tess2.uspto.gov/ and do a search on this person you will find no trademarked name. If you go to http://www.sunbiz.org/search.html and click on the trademark search link you will find he has none

1.) The Illinois State University H.R. Dept. has no archived completed application and the O.R.A. shared with me that they did check with previously appointed campus ministers and assured us that he is making this up. That he did call one day in a vicious tone.

-He studied there for 2 semesters- admissions office rec.

-All of the communities, churches, and ministries from in and around Ill. State shared that they know nothing of him or about him. In my inquiry I also brought up the statistical information he posted from another site. Their response is "made up". As he did with church planting in Streator, Ill.

On the letter of introductions he was in the Philippines, He was appointed to ILSTU, He was preaching in El Cajon, and other lies.

Lets start with the deception of the Philippines. He claims on classmates.com that he served on the Hery Wilson DDG-7-First off the Henry B. Wilson did not show up in the Philippines until 8/28/81. He stated in a letter of introduction that he was in the Philippines in 1971. He also in this letter stated that he was not attending a ship reunion.

-Official record from M.P.A. reflects Yeoman or a clerk and status of "non-deployed" and there is a 10 year discrepancy between this letter of introduction and the citing of Henry B. Wilson.

-I have spoken to at random some Filipino's who are naval active duty or have been in the Philippines during 1971. Their response;"Not consistent with naval conduct code", "made up","no way a puti(white)have stepped in the republic unless they are married to a Filipino national", and "Lying".

He posted and published to people that he was invited to teach at Moody Bible Institute and then later was asked by the then president to rescind because he is "charismatic".

-The MBI H.R. has no record of a completed application it also has no record of his being extended an invitation to teach. The person who handles these "extended invitations" on the phone assured me that they do keep archives of all "extended invitations" both in written and electronically. It was also clearly stated that this is not the attitude of any president or emeritus and would never ask any one to rescind unless there were major discrepancies. We require everyone to fill an application. This included "extended invitations".

Inconsistent belief system posted and published by this guy:

-Lausanne Covenant
-stated in a yahoo group that links clarify his belief.
-Deeper Life assembly is a F.S.G.(Four Square Gospel)church.

These choices reflect and point to a waivering faith that wise Solomon warned us about in the context of being double minded.

As such, I find this person to be untruthful and I would hope repents of these lies and comes clean with the Lord and the public.

From a historical perspective there have been people who have attempted to confront and have attempted to seek a repentance but instead were attacked and bullied. The reason? His credibility and grandeur has been put into check and this is often referred to as a fear based reaction or threat to honest exposure.

This is an example of one who is not of the Lord. Because in all the affairs of the Lord the one largest requirement and component is honesty.

The greatest yet shortest distance between restoration and repentance is as the cliche goes "ON YOUR KNEES".

Not to be rude, I hope that this does threaten his credibility because my point for him is the Cross.
January 31, 2010
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Donald Robhenson said:

Further More
Art shows classic clinical symptomology of Religious Delusion combined with grandiosity. If you notice that there is a 10 year gap. I also met and talked with someone who is a retiree of the USS HENRY B. WILSON showed me the registry which for him is a keep sake-No Art. I was mailed a copy of 1st reunion program and was sent a photobook-NO ART Ellingsen.

He stated to people that he was going to be speaking about internet evangelism at Deeper Life Assembly in Orlando I hope to meet and greet you there. I have a DVD copy of this particular April day and he was only introduced. They broadcast their services. He was turned down for credentialling.

THE AG told me that he was not ordained until 1982. His credential was revoked because of his divorce matter as stated in the previous posting. He probably made up the story of resigning as the news of the leadership was published in print and televised.

Moody Bible Institute has no archived record in written form or electronically of his being extended an invitation to teach. David the H.R. Manager assured us that this his statement was made up.

In the same time frames he was in the Philippines, Bloomington Il, Syracuse NY, EL Cajon, Ca, and Streator Ill. The Philippines, Illinois, New York, and California were debunked. The USS HENRY B DDG7 Did not show up until 1981. A 10 year discrepancy. Illinois, NY office of H.R. at Ill. State. and Syracuse have no record of application and the ORA has no record of appointment. Called Ill State in a vicious tone. Checked with previously appointed ministers and churches in that area no one person, church, ministry, or religious group knows of him.

January 31, 2010
Votes: +1

J.C. Vandehoede said:

Is this the same guy?
I used to live down the street from this guy. I have spoken to my parents about him and they shared with me that they had 3 different instances of contact with him 2 times at the library and one time post office. My dad said that he feels this guy is not very honest. I know that there were other neighbors who also have mentioned about interviewers who were asking residents around south arlington heights road and by the theater questions about him and I do remember seeing some sheriff cars up and down the street at the same time before getting married and moving. It has been mentioned to stay away from him and now I know why. I will say this, it is about time we put questionable behaviors and practices into check. I will agree that this warrants one of those numerous times that needs to be addressed. He needs to tell the truth I agree and chances are if you are having this much trouble getting him to do so more than likely he will not own up to responsibility. If he had, this would have never come up. That is an absolute truth.

Jason Cramer Vandehoede
February 07, 2010
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