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The EU And Ethnic Cleansing In Estonia
Tuesday, 01 May 2007 10:23
by Copydude


One of the EU’s many accomplishments in facilitating NATO expansion has been to ignore its own laws. Currently it is condoning a form of ethnic cleansing against Russian speakers in Estonia. Just as it turned a blind eye to punitive language laws in Latvia.

bronze_soldier As Amnesty International explains, in EU Estonia today, every third person is a potential victim of discrimination.

The treatment of the ethnic Russian minority in Estonia is not only in contravention of UN laws, the European Council’s Human Rights Charter and the EU’s own Treaty of Amsterdam. It is also being effected in a manner reminiscent of Nazi Germany.

Estonia’s ‘Language Directorate’ operates as the new brownshirts, disbarring anyone with poor Estonian language skills from their jobs and rights. Ethnic Russians are the new ‘untermenschen’. Yet it’s a form of ethnic cleansing that the EU ‘warmly welcomed‘. This is really what is behind the current riots in Tallinn and why the ‘Bronze Soldier’ became a rallying point.

It would not be the first time ethnic cleansing has taken place in Estonia. In 1934, there were 4,381 Jews in Estonia, with most living in Tallinn, the capital city. By the end of 1942, there were no known Jews in Estonia.

During the war, an estimated 10,000 Jews were killed in Estonia after having been deported to camps from elsewhere in Eastern Europe. In 1944, The Red Army failed to liberate those who remained. The main concentration camps were evacuated by sea to Danzig. Any who missed the boat were killed a few hours before the Red Army arrived and fewer than 10 survived.

At this time, Estonia had its own SS fighting alongside the Nazis. Very effectively, too. The battle of Narva was particularly gruesome for Russians, losing 170,000 men. Certainly, the Red Army did not ‘liberate’ Estonia. Estonian guerillas - the Forest Brothers - were still harassing the Soviets until 1949. So, a monument to a Russian soldier was always inappropriate - rather like erecting an RAF monument in Dresden. Balts were largely Nazi sympathisers and many are still in holocaust denial. Though not all.

This is not the first soldier monument controversy. A monument to an Estonian SS soldier was erected in Parnu in 2002.

Whether Estonia would have fared better under Nazi occupation than Soviet Occupation is a tough one to call, to say the least. But it seems clear which one Estonians would have preferred. And to be fair, they experienced both.

So now it’s payback time for ethnic Russians and the methodology is Nazi style, with the novel variation of Russians being put in ‘no labour’ camps. The brownshirts from the ‘Language Inspectorate’ turn up, announced or unannounced, and recommend dismissal for anyone who isn’t an ethnic Estonian.

Here’s a typical mail to Amnesty International:

“I used to work as a taxi driver but lost my job thanks to the Language Inspectorate. They call you to the transport commission for the slightest infraction of the highway code where the Language Inspectorate is waiting for you.Everything is well planned. They call only the Russian speakers. They can sack you not because you are a bad worker, not because passengers have been complaining but because you don’t know Estonian well. I have three children, a mortgage and an alcoholic husband but nobody cares. I have to pay for language courses and they are not cheap — two or three monthly salaries. I don’t have a job and I cannot pay for the Estonian language courses. How am I going to live? Isn’t this discrimination?”

Since March, the Language Directorate has tightened the screws, making people who already have a language certificate re-sit a language exam and nullifying the language certificates of those who fail a re-sit - which of course, is guaranteed.

Amnesty International notes again:

People who were born and have lived all their lives in Estonia have not been able to gain Estonian citizenship. They are deprived of the possibility of working as state or municipal officials, meaning they are deprived of the opportunity to contribute to their communities according to their potential.

The stateless and jobless ethnic Russians will inevitably become homeless and be ‘disappeared’ like the Bronze Soldier. The Russians in the EU are the new ‘Jews’ and the EU continues to abandon basic human rights, in contravention of its own citizenship laws, as it has done with ‘extraordinary rendition’ and torture camps.

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a guest said:

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I wonder how come only Russian people are complaining about that and others are not. I live in Estonia, I am Estonian and the part about the Language Directorate is true, but there are some things that should be taken into consideration. First of all, most people can learn a new language in a year when they are living in a society that speaks that language. Secondly, it is understandable that taxi drivers must speak Estonian. Although there are many Russians living here, the main population is still Estonian and although most Estonians can speak Russian they do not want to speak Russian in their own country. Furthermore it is curious, that they have been living in Estonia and still they haven't learned the language, but there are others who have and haven been complaining about it. About the Jew in Estonia in 1950s people really should watch the documentary "Singing Revolution" which was made by Englishmen. Then you'd know, that the people in Estonia had no chance do anything for that matter.
 
May 01, 2007
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a guest said:

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there is no justification of thet article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...r_the_USSR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification

Nobody is holding theese people here if they don't like to live here. They are victims of Russia, don't you think. It all starts with understanding that they dont live in Russia. If they want to realize that, they can live better. Nobody have killed them, becase they are not estonian citizens. This article is stupid, like the next one from same author. Don't get me wrong, author has every right to write theese articles, here is only my opinion about that.

 
May 01, 2007
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a guest said:

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To the author
Think about this fact: Estonian government doesn't keep any russian from leaving to Russia, if they wan't to do this. Putin even promised them some perks. But why aren't the russians leaving? The answer is that life in "discriminative" Estonia for poor russians is still better than in Russia.
 
May 01, 2007
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a guest said:

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what a piece of bullshit
russians who are living in estonia are asked to speak some basic estonian, say they are discriminated? hah
 
May 01, 2007
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a guest said:

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Misinformed article
The article is seriously biased towards Russian views. I'll explain why I think so.

Namely, the article mentions 14381 jews being slaughtered, but fails to mention that after Russia had occupied Estonia, a lot more Estonians were deported to Siberia for being Estonians. You can find factual information about the events here: http://linnamuuseum.tartu.ee/e...eport.html or here: http://www.vm.ee/eng/kat_509/aken_prindi/4365.html.

The next part represents my personal opinion not factual information I can present sources to. I find it justified that, as the article mentions, taxi drivers have to be able to speak Estonian. Let's take an example.

How many taxi drivers are in downtown London that do not speak English? How many taxi drivers are in Moscow that do not speak Russian? These questions aside, you can take a look at Estonian constitution, a copy is available here: http://www.servat.unibe.ch/law/icl/en00000_.html. Pay attention to Article 6: The official language of Estonia is Estonian. Effectively that means that all official documents must be in Estonian. It also means that citizens of Estonia must have option to receive public services like medical aid or public transportation or - as mentioned in the article - taxi services using only Estonian language.

While I understand the concern of Russian speaking people in Estonia that their jobs are being threatened, I also am aware that a lot of the Russian speaking people have no interest to remedy the situation by learning the national language. This is also my personal opinion as I do not have factual information to support that.

Can you please provide factual information for your allegation that it is guaranteed to fail the Language Directorate language exam? Although I admit that the exam is too difficult for foreigners to pass without really thorough preparation, I don't think that the number of people that have passed the exam is zero.

Amnesty International has noted that people born in Estonia have not been able to gain citizenship. The instructions on how to become a citizen of Estonia are given here: http://www.mig.ee/eng/citizenship/citizenship/. I'm sure you will find that the requirements are not meant to specifically exclude Russian speaking people.

Also, I take personal offense in being called a nazi. I'm against nazism as much as any other reasonable person walking the Earth today. I suggest the author to read articles on the riot that took place on 27th and 28th of April.
Note the chronology of events that took place:
1. People gather to protest against the removal of the statue.
2. The protesters become violent towards law inforcement officers.
3. The protesters are forced to leave the site as the gathering was becoming dangerous to policemen's health (rocks were thrown at them).
4. The protesters go around in downtown bashing store windows and looting the stores as they moved. Note that the statue had not been moved by then.
5. Law inforcement officers force the crowd to dissipate.
6. The statue is removed from original location.

In conclusion, I think the article does not take in account the opinion of Estonian citizens or the Estonian government thus it is biased.
 
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a guest said:

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This is a brutal lie!
Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonia for history.
The language restriction are much more liberal than in most EU countries, many ethnic Russians do not learn the language because they do not need it! People, who are not citizens cannot vote as in any EU country. The amount of non citizens is minimal.
The discrimination is a propaganda from Russia - as it has been all the time. At the beginning there were a few observers from EU to investigate the matter -no discrimination whatsoever was found. It is a brutal lie.

This article is full of lies - about the Jews, about SS monument etc.

Bronze Soldier was built during strong Russification period when tens of thousands Estonians were sent to Siberia in animal wagons or killed, replaced by Russian military personnel and workers. These "new" inhabitants did rob and loot our homes, destroy our culture and occupy us for 50 years.
Bronze Soldier carries the same propaganda message as did all these Stalin, Lenin and other monuments.

 
May 01, 2007
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a guest said:

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Please get your facts straight
Please get your facts straight:
* In order to get a client-servicing job (shopclerk, taxi driver), it is required that person speaks official language. Sadly, most of the companies also require Estonians to speak Russian.
* Yes, Estonians fought in SS-divisions against the Red army. But you seem to miss that fact that Nuremberg Trials declared the Baltic Waffen SS Units not guilty of the war crimes. Of course, these Estonian units killed lot of Russian soldiers, but this was a defence of homeland against another invading enemy. Nazi or not, but Germans didn't rape as much...
 
May 01, 2007 | url
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a guest said:

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Copy Dude has clearly copied his article from some Russian propaganda publication and has clearly not done any research on the subject of the history of Estonia. I felt almost embarrassed for the writer when reading this garbage! No wonder he didn't want to use his real name!
On another note - quick question: let's imagine for a moment that Syrians invaded - sorry, I meant "liberated" - the Netherlands. They deported half the locals to Congo and took their homes. Took the homes, pots and pans of the remaining half too and forced them to leave the cities and move into small huts in the countryside without any rights to fish or grow tulips. Let's imagine that 50 years have passed since then. The locals are quietly living in their little huts, just trying to survive. All the street signs in Amsterdam are in Syrian, all the taxi drivers, doctors and policemen speak Syrian only. The "liberators" have not bothered to learn Dutch. Their children have not seen the use of learning it either. In their minds, the natives should learn THEIR language - because they say so, and because they are entitled to it for they have lived in Holland for 50 YEARS already! It's their home now, their right!!!
I wonder how the Dutch would feel about it? Oh, I'm sure they would agree with the "Liberator's" point of view. As would the rest of the free world. You think so too?
 
May 02, 2007
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a guest said:

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Have you even read ANY of the statistics..
Since March, the Language Directorate has tightened the screws, making people who already have a language certificate re-sit a language exam and nullifying the language certificates of those who fail a re-sit - which of course, is guaranteed.

Everyone is not made to retake the exam, only few who still seem to have problem, they are given over a year time to relearn and retake the exam. if they pass the exam costs for learning are compensated. if they fail, it will take up to 6 months to 'nullify' their certificates.



The stateless and jobless ethnic Russians will inevitably become homeless and be ‘disappeared’ like the Bronze Soldier. The Russians in the EU are the new ‘Jews’ and the EU continues to abandon basic human rights, in contravention of its own citizenship laws, as it has done with ‘extraordinary rendition’ and torture camps.

Bronze statue has not disapeared..
out of less than 3000 language violations last year, only 235 were processed, 59 of them got a fine of total of 143,000 EEK. (average of 154EURO per person) rest got a warning. i am not certain how many were required to retake the exam.

Do you define this as an ethnic cleansing?



And as for exam itself, around 55-75% (depending on year) pass it, average points is higher than the average points in high school final exam in estonian language.
 
May 02, 2007 | url
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a guest said:

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You know, I am russian, who lives in Estonia, I was born here and so was my mother. I am a teacher of estonian language in russian schools, I am a citizen of estonia and I have a child and husband. I
You know, I am russian, who lives in Estonia, I was born here and so was my mother. I am a teacher of estonian language in russian schools, I am a citizen of estonia and I have a child and husband. I told you all that because Estonia is a very small country, It has a little more than 1 million people, about 300 000 or more are russians, at least 150 000 don't have a citizenship and has no right to vote and other right are very limited for them )my husband, my mother, a lot of my friends are not citizens, but they were born here!). Is this legal? Where else in Europe (except for Latvia) has such system? Maybe I don't know?
Now, about Soviet soldier, ok, so many of you believe that everything what has a word "soviet" is bad, it is evil and there were not any good and of course all the soviet soldiers were "a drunk thugs, who came in all those countries to kill, rob and rape"? (that's what our prime-minister think and says). So maybe they shouldn't fight with fashism, as I understand there so many people in our world now, who think fashism was better than "soviet"- What is wrong with you people??!! The russians suffered more than anyone in Europe in Stalin's time and Stalin wasn't russian by the way. So how dare anyone to say (and in Estonia even fight with dead people) so many bad words about a man, who gave his life for nothing, not for money, not for goods just for our future. If you smile right now you are wrong, in our time it sounds even funny, but people of that time still believe in these ideas - to live for children's future.
I turn to all americans and all the people whose guys are in Iraq now, they don't want this war, they don't want to die, what if somebody did something like this about their memory. i am absolutelly against the war in Iraq, but I would never (NEVER!!!) say any bad word about the soldiers who have been at war and especially about those who have died there! We can't blame them, unfortunately, we all have politics, who make bad decisions.
I read one story, which has shoked me: when fashists came in Dutch and announced the victory and said they wouldn't kill the king and his family and even let him live in their palace, but all the power will be in their hands. They told every Jew to put the jewish star (I don't know how it is in english) on them, so everybody could see "the dirty race"... it was awful ... The King saw all that and couldn't do anything for his people, then he went out to say hello to his nation, he wasn't dressed usually, he wore the jewish star on his coat, so every jew could see that if the King is proud to be so called "the dirty race" so are they! Everybody in this country put the jewish star on and were laughed at nacists and fashists...
I never thought that the whole world would be silent when somebody does the same thing in the 21 century... Please think about it, we all need help and all need to be saved, because the politics in Estonia by police's hands doesn't let the world to hear the truth.
Excuse me for my english, I am not so god at that...
 
May 02, 2007
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a guest said:

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From Copydude
As it happens, I have been quoting Amnesty International, the BBC and The Scotsman - hardly Russian media. Neither did I use the term ‘blashphemy’ - but desecrating a war grave is correct. We disagree about the numbers of the disadvantaged - and Amnesty International disagrees with you too. But certainly we agree that the numbers decline each year as the ‘ethnic cleansing’ hardens.

While you have every reason to resent Russians, discrimination against minorities is against EU law. The use of language as a discriminatory tool is too. I live in an EU law abiding country which is a net contributor to the EU and subsidises Estonia. I don’t believe Estonia should receive any benefits of membership while it acts in contravention of the Treaty of Amsterdam and the European Council’s Charter of Human Rights - and a good many other human rights conventions as Amnesty International notes.

In most cases, the EU countries have worked to come to terms with the last war and achieve civility and tolerance. What have you achieved by removing the statue? No more than the Americans achieved by toppling Saddam’s statue upon the invasion of Iraq.

Quote: ‘But I must say that I hardly consider it a human rights violation if a person has to be able to speak Estonian if he wants to become an Estonian citizen.’

Except that history has made the country bilingual. Belgium has three official languages - German, French and Flemish. And the respective speakers can’t have their citizenship, birthright or jobs annulled because they don’t speak the others. It is also illegal for them to be put at a linguistic disadvantage - either in education or in filling up a tax form.

People who were born in Estonia speaking Russian have had their birthright cancelled retrospectively. That is a violation of human rights, whether you like it or not, EU law and Amnesty International is quite clear about this.
 
May 02, 2007
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a guest said:

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Dear People
We, estonians, cant force russians to integrate, if they dont want to be integrated
 
May 02, 2007
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a guest said:

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Heil, H...
The fact is that since the fall of the Soviet Union, all sort of old fascists that left Eastern Europe for the "democratic" world, came back with the money, and well indoctrinated by the yankees to take over governments and business.
 
May 02, 2007
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a guest said:

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Fact about language laws
There are only 1 million people who speak the Estonian language IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!!
When a language drops to 750,000 speakers, it is considered an endangered language.
There is a very legitimate reason why there is a language requirement for citizenship of Estonia.
How many Russian speakers are there in the world?
Estonia is an independant country and can make her own laws. There are plenty of good Estonian citizens of different backgrounds, who have learned the language and are living productive lives in their adoptive homeland.
I wish the misinformation would cease!
 
May 02, 2007
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a guest said:

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Fact about language laws
There are only 1 million people who speak the Estonian language IN THE ENTIRE WORLD!!
When a language drops to 750,000 speakers, it is considered an endangered language.
There is a very legitimate reason why there is a language requirement for citizenship of Estonia.
How many Russian speakers are there in the world?
Estonia is an independant country and can make her own laws. There are plenty of good Estonian citizens of different backgrounds, who have learned the language and are living productive lives in their adoptive homeland.
I wish the misinformation would cease!
 
May 02, 2007
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a guest said:

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One item forgoten ...
One little forgoten item is that Russia was Hitler's ALLY!!!. ( that little thing called Ribentrop-Molotov pact). So one thug later attacked the other and now we should believe that Soviets wear on the side of Angels?
Patton had it right, West should have just continued the war after taking down Germany...till they took down the OTHER evil- Russia
No Soviet soldiers wear not liberators, they wear barbric acuping army....but they did manage to kill the Nazis.
P.S and lets not forget Katyn.
 
May 03, 2007
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a guest said:

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right about language
As a chinese-american who is married to an Estonian and must ALSO learn the language to gain citizenship, I don't know why the non-Estonian-speaking russians are complaining of discrimination. Yes it is a very very hard language, but you are living in Estonia, a little country that only has 1million Estonian-fluent speakers. They have fought for CENTURIES to keep their tiny identity. Now they finally have it, and if they want you to speak a little Estonian, then put in a little effort. I have no sympathy for folks (or descendents of folks) who are invaders.

Estonians even require that all foods sold in Estonia have Estonian language ingredients. This tiny amount of 1 million people are trying to save their culture and heritage. Even in America, a country built of nothing bt people from other countires, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ENGLISH TO BE A CITIZEN.
 
May 04, 2007
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a guest said:

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What Copy Dudovsky forgets to mention is:

01. Josef Stalin was a multi-million-killer dictator as the same way as Adolf Hitler. Both were allies between 1939 and 1941 (and that’s why Russia still doesn’t acknowledge to World War II of 1929-1945, but the so-called “Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945”)

02. The Soviet occupation of the Baltics was much more savage, barbaric and long than the Nazi one. Practically the entire East-Central Europe and East Germany were mass-raped by the Zukhov troops (this fact only came to light recently because of the shame stigma that sexual abuse carried and the wall of silence that existed around the Steel Curtain until 1989).

03. One of the main reasons why Soviet Union was so devastated during Operation Barbarossa is the fact that Stalin in 1937 killed almost all of the command of the Soviet military, leaving many of their units in the hands of recruits-turned-generals.

04. Sadly, after the relative liberty during the 1987-2004, Russia is again a dictatorship. And this fact is revealed my the resurgent nationalist-expansionist ideology. The Russian government doesn’t want the Russians to integrate in the Estonian or Latvian civil societies, because if this occurs Russia loses the capacity to control these people and bring these “lost territories” back.

05. The term “ethnic cleansing” applied to Estonia is a lie. Since independence, no Russian or former Soviet citizen was killed or imprisoned just because he or she were Russian or former Soviet citizen. All the people born in Estonia since the independence is automatically-granted Estonian citizenship, so the number of “non-citizens” tends to diminish more and more through time. The restriction to jobs are just applied in the civil service, as far as I know. And any democratic country is sovereign to define their official language policy. France, for example, have only one language as official, and no one ever accused these countries of being “fascist” just because of this.

06. The language policy of Russia is far worse than Estonia’s. Although populated by minorities that inhabit their areas for thousands of years (even before the coming of the Russians), still today the Russification in Russia’s autonomous republics remains strong. The official script is cyrillic; even if the Tartars, Mari or any other groups want to use the latin alphabet, they’re forbidden to do that. Russian is used in practically every single document produced in Russia is in Russian language. And today, many republics are being annexed to Russian oblasts to speed up the Russification process. Ethnic minorities even can’t get into the higher echelons of Russian power, nowadays occupied mostly by white and Orthodox Russian-speakers.

07. So, the imperial thinking of the Russians is still very, very strong. They simply refuse to be ruled by any other people that aren’t Russian, adamantly refuse to speak any other language than Russian, and believes that the Russian culture (heir to the “Great Culture of the Eastern Roman Empire based in Constantinople”, according to them) is one of the most advanced of the Planet Earth, and because of this it has the “natural right” to be imposed over other peoples.
 
May 18, 2007
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a guest said:

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Yeah right buddy!
Hmmmm...Well, hate to break it to ya, but I was just in Estonia, and when it comes to Russians, theres a lot more crap than just a language barrier!!! Ask anyone about buying drugs in Estonia, "Oh you'll have to find a Russian" I am told, Also, The Unjustified riot madness that tok place in Tallinn just a few weeks ago, not cause by Russians who gave a crap and were only protesting, but oh wait, caused by Russian drunks who thought they'd have a little fun. The result? Thousand year old stained glass windows in historical churches shattered, stores looted, and a murder of an Estonian man, well if you mean to tell me that Russians are discriminated because of the language, you need to go there and see for yourself.
 
May 29, 2007
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